Daily Archives: October 18, 2011

Raiders go all in for Palmer

Carson Palmer

New Raiders QB Carson Palmer. Image by Keith Allison via Flickr

The Oakland Raiders made by far the biggest splash at the NFL trade deadline, dealing for Bengals QB Carson Palmer. Palmer had not reported to Cincinnati this season, and the Bengals had threatened to leave Palmer hanging in the wind until Oakland gave them an offer they couldn’t refuse. Below are some thoughts on the trade; you can see how it compares to other deadline deals in this post.

Bengals trade QB Carson Palmer to Raiders for first-round pick in 2012 and second-round pick in 2013 that can become first-rounder – Palmer had not played in 2011 after he told the Bengals he wanted to be traded. Notoriously stubborn Bengals owner/GM Mike Brown called Palmer’s bluff, letting him sit out without much hope of a silver (or even silver and black) lining. In the meantime, Cincinnati drafted QB Andy Dalton and made him their starter. Dalton got off to a good start as the Bengals opened 4-2, and that might have softened Brown a little. Then the Raiders – who lost QB Jason Campbell to a broken collarbone that’s at least a six-week injury – made a move for Palmer and paid a huge price to add him. The Bengals, who had once turned down two first-rounders for WR Chad Ochocinco, this time made the deal. They get Oakland’s first-rounder next season and a second-rounder in 2013 that can become a first-rounder if the Raiders make the AFC Championship game in either of the next two years. The Raiders, who now lack picks in each of the first four rounds of the 2012 draft, believe Palmer still has the big arm to maximize their young, talented group of wideouts. Head coach Hue Jackson, who coached Palmer during some of his best Bengals years, runs an offense that Palmer knows, which should aid the adjustment period. And Palmer has been working out as well. It’s a risky move for the Raiders, but Palmer does give them more upside than Campbell ever did. The question is whether Palmer can adjust to the silver and black quickly enough to lead the 4-2 Raiders to the playoffs. The price is incredibly steep, but the Raiders are so desperate to win that “just win, baby” is trumping long-term thinking right now.

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Football Relativity Week 6

Each week, we compare all 32 NFL teams using our Football Relativity comparison. On the comparison, the 10 level is reserved for the best teams, and the 1 level for the worst. We’ll note throughout where teams have moved up or down from last week.

Ravens OLB Jarrett Johnson sacks Texans QB Matt Schaub, via cleveland.com

10 – Green Bay Packers – The Packers jumped out to a quick lead and cruised to a 24-3 victory over the lowly Rams. They’re playing in top form right now, and the offense is so explosive that it’s going to be hard for lower-tier teams to pull an upset.

9 – Baltimore Ravens, New England Patriots, New Orleans Saints – We discussed the Saints in detail in this game post. The Patriots needed a two-minute drill to score the game-winning touchdown against the Cowboys, but the fact that they pulled out a win against a solid team is a credit. So is the Ravens’ 29-14 win over the Texans, which demonstrates just how good the Ravens are. Like the Packers, the Ravens and Saints have games they should win this week, while the Pats are on bye.

8 – Detroit Lions, Pittsburgh Steelers, San Diego Chargers – The Chargers were on bye. They travel to face the Jets this week in a game that could impact the AFC wild-card race.  The Lions fell in a tough home game to the 49ers, and now they must bounce back against the Falcons. It’ll be curious how Detroit responds to its first loss of the year. The Steelers weren’t impressive, but they held on for a 17-13 win over the Jaguars. If they can take care of business in Arizona this week, the margin of victory won’t matter nearly as much as piling up wins to keep pace with the Ravens in the AFC North.

7 – Atlanta Falcons, Buffalo Bills, Houston Texans, New York Giants, New York Jets, Oakland Raiders, San Francisco 49ers (UP A LEVEL), Tampa Bay Buccaneers – We discussed how the 49ers struck gold in Detroit in Rise/Sink/Float, and we discussed the Bills/Giants game in this post, and we talked about the Buccaneers’ big win in this post. The Falcons beat the Panthers 31-17 in a game they had to have. Now the Falcons need to steal a win in Detroit to keep pace in the NFC South. The Texans lost 29-14 in Baltimore and now face a trip to Tennessee that will have huge bearing in the AFC South. The opportunity the Texans have in the division could slip away with a third straight loss. The Raiders took care of business at home against Cleveland, and if they can beat the Chiefs at home this week, they’ll be firmly in the AFC West race with the Chargers. The Jets didn’t win any style points but did beat the Dolphins on Monday night. Now they must face the Chargers at home.

6 – Chicago Bears, Dallas Cowboys, Philadelphia Eagles – We covered the Cowboys in Rise/Sink/Float. The Bears beat down the Vikings on Sunday night, and seemed to start to fix some of their protection problems. That’s a big step forward. Now they travel to London to face the Buccaneers in a game that could impact the NFC wild card race. The Eagles beat the Redskins 20-13, and while it wasn’t a dynamic performance, at least it was a win. At 2-4, the Eagles are still hovering on the fringes of the NFC East race as they head into their bye.

5 – Cincinnati Bengals (UP A LEVEL), Tennessee Titans, Washington Redskins (DOWN A LEVEL) – The Redskins blew a golden opportunity at home against the Redskins, and Rex Grossman’s awful play created a quarterback controversy. A trip to Carolina this week is no gimme, and another loss would completely reverse all the early-season momentum. The Titans were on bye leading up to what is now a key AFC South battle against the Texans in Nashville. The Bengals got another win to move to 4-2 heading into their bye. The Bengals have had a little help from the schedule, but the results are good enough that they’ll be a factor moving into midseason.

4 – Cleveland Browns, Seattle Seahawks – The Browns lost in Oakland and need to get back on track at home against the Seahawks, who were on bye. At 2-3, both teams can still harbor playoff hopes, but this becomes a key chance to get a win this week.

3 – Carolina Panthers, Denver Broncos, Kansas City Chiefs – The Chiefs and Broncos were on bye. The Panthers lost to Atlanta to fall to 1-5. They have a chance to get a win at home against the Redskins, but that’s no guarantee. (We’ll have much more on the Panthers later today.)

2 – Arizona Cardinals, Jacksonville Jaguars, Minnesota Vikings – The Cardinals were on bye. The Jaguars lost in Pittsburgh, but the effort was better than in recent weeks. The Vikings, on the other hand, put up a stinker in Chicago and now must answer questions about switching quarterbacks from Donovan McNabb to Christian Ponder.

1 – Miami Dolphins (DOWN A LEVEL), Indianapolis Colts (DOWN A LEVEL), St. Louis Rams – We discussed the Colts in Rise/Sink/Float. The Rams lost 24-3 in Green Bay, which is no surprise. They hope adding WR Brandon Lloyd will help an offense that desperately needs it. The Dolphins came off their bye and lost to the Jets to fall to 0-5. The quarterback situation with Matt Moore is a major problem.

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FR: 2011 In-season trades

Brandon Lloyd

New Rams WR Brandon Lloyd. Image by Jeffrey Beall via Flickr

Each year, we compare the significance of in-season trades in a Football Relativity post. In this comparison, the 10 level marks the most significant trades, and the 1 level the least significant. This post compares all trades through the Oct. 18 trade deadline.

10 – Bengals trade QB Carson Palmer to Raiders for first-round pick in 2012 and second-round pick in 2013 that can become first-rounder – Palmer had not played in 2011 after he told the Bengals he wanted to be traded. Notoriously stubborn Bengals owner/GM Mike Brown called Palmer’s bluff, letting him sit out without much hope of a silver (or even silver and black) lining. In the meantime, Cincinnati drafted QB Andy Dalton and made him their starter. Dalton got off to a good start as the Bengals opened 4-2, and that might have softened Brown a little. Then the Raiders – who lost QB Jason Campbell to a broken collarbone that’s at least a six-week injury – made a move for Palmer and paid a huge price to add him. The Bengals, who had once turned down two first-rounders for WR Chad Ochocinco, this time made the deal. They get Oakland’s first-rounder next season and a second-rounder in 2013 that can become a first-rounder if the Raiders make the AFC Championship game in either of the next two years. The Raiders, who now lack picks in each of the first four rounds of the 2012 draft, believe Palmer still has the big arm to maximize their young, talented group of wideouts. Head coach Hue Jackson, who coached Palmer during some of his best Bengals years, runs an offense that Palmer knows, which should aid the adjustment period. And Palmer has been working out as well. It’s a risky move for the Raiders, but Palmer does give them more upside than Campbell ever did. The question is whether Palmer can adjust to the silver and black quickly enough to lead the 4-2 Raiders to the playoffs. The price is incredibly steep, but the Raiders are so desperate to win that “just win, baby” is trumping long-term thinking right now.

9 – none

8 – none

7 – none

6 – Broncos trade WR Brandon Lloyd to Rams for 2012 sixth-round pick that could become a fifth-round pick – The Broncos, clearly in a rebuilding mode, dealt their leading receiver Lloyd to the Rams. With Denver moving to Tim Tebow as their starting quarterback, it makes sense to have him work with the receivers who will be around beyond 2011, such as Eric Decker and Demaryius Thomas, who is returning from injury to make his 2011 debut. Since Lloyd is a free-agent-to-be, he became expendable. But Denver didn’t get a great price – just a sixth-round pick that becomes a fifth-rounder if Lloyd catches 30 passes for the Rams. But the deal at least opens opportunities for Thomas, which is a legitimate developmental move for Denver. The Rams, who gambled and lost on a one-year deal for Mike Sims-Walker to be their No. 1 receiver this year, get Lloyd, who thrived under offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels in Denver. (Sims-Walker was released to clear a spot for Lloyd.) Since McDaniels is the only coach to unlock Lloyd’s potential over nine years with four teams, Lloyd couldn’t have found a better landing spot. He’s immediately the best receiver the Rams have, and he has the chance to finish the season strongly to earn a new contract, be it in St. Louis or elsewhere. The Rams are 0-5, so this isn’t a move for the playoffs, but it does allow QB Sam Bradford to keep developing and should help the offense move from awful closer to average. If Lloyd fits as the situation suggests, expect the Rams to extend his deal, to make the most of the draft pick they spent to get him.

5 – none

4 – Seahawks trade OLB Aaron Curry to Raiders for 2012 seventh-round pick and conditional 2013 fifth-round pick – We discussed Curry’s ups and downs in this post, which focused on trade rumors about him. Seattle finally gave up on Curry, the former fourth overall pick in the draft, even though their linebacker corps has been wracked by injuries. With Curry gone, rookie K.D. Williams emerges as a starter in Seattle. In Oakland, Curry provides some flexibility at linebacker and allows Kamerion Wimbley to move up to defensive end in pass-rushing situations. Curry is the kind of first-round disappointment that Al Davis loved to take a chance on. Given the price, you can’t blame the Raiders for taking a shot on Curry to see if they can unlock his potential in a way Seattle could not. The fact that Curry started his first game as a Raider only shows the potential impact of this deal.

3 – Eagles trade RB Ronnie Brown to Lions for RB Jerome Harrison and conditional seventh-round pick in 2013 – With Jahvid Best battling concussion issues and rookie Mikel Leshoure sidelined for the year, the Lions added insurance in Brown. The longtime Dolphin had a slow start for the Eagles, running just 13 times for 38 yards and turning the ball over on one key Wildcat-type of play. Brown isn’t what he once was, but he’s sturdy and dependable enough to fill a lineup spot and protect QB Matthew Stafford if Best misses time. The Eagles basically gave Brown away, getting only a conditional seventh-rounder as well as Harrison, whom they traded for last season and then let leave in the offseason without a second thought. This trade was voided when Harrison failed a physical with the Eagles.

2 – none

1 – Jets trade WR Derrick Mason to Texans for conditional seventh-round pick – Mason was supposed to come to the Jets to be the dependable third receiver, replacing the departed Jerricho Cotchery. But instead of living up to his two-year contract, Mason had just 13 catches for 115 yards for the Jets. More importantly, the Jets coaching staff and front office identified Mason as a troublemaker in the locker room. That had never been Mason’s reputation before, but things quickly devolved to the point that the Jets basically gave Mason away. In his place, the Jets will go to rookie Jeremy Kerley as their third receiver. The Texans, who are without Andre Johnson at the moment, and Mason provides stability and reliability than guys like David Anderson (who was again released) or the inconsistent Jacoby Jones. Now, with Mason and Kevin Walter, the Texans can at least give QB Matt Schaub some options. And if Mason ends up with less than 33 catches as a Texan, Houston won’t owe the Jets a pick. If he does have that many catches, he’ll be well worth a seventh-rounder. The price was right for Houston, and Mason is likely thrilled to escape a situation where he wasn’t wanted.

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